We talk to Ramon Te Wake, a mokopuna of movements and a tuakana for the queer arts. We discuss Ramon’s legacy, her interdisciplinary practice, the importance of understanding our tuakiri and protecting ourselves with toolkits, & the joy that is being in relationship with our forebears. Ramon has been a dancer, a singer, a show host on “Takatāpui” by Māori Television (2004) and an acclaimed director. Without her championing and recording our collective history Te Tīmatanga would not have been able to exist.